SPINDLEMAKERS' ARMS #
124 - 125 (later 212 - 214) Lancaster Road
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THREE generations of Spindlemakers' Arms:
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This was the position of the first two photographs.
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MINE HOSTS:
1849 - 71 John Dobson d. 1871
1871 - 76 Thomas Coup(e)
1876 - 92 William Dobson
1892 - 94 Hugh Gibson
1895 - 1913 James Bramwell Dobson
1917 William Dobson
1926 - 27 William Bagwell
1932 Eleanor Livesey
1936 Anthony Brindle
1940 William R. Brooks
1944 Thomas Brindle
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In the last quarter of the 19th century, the house
was owned by:
Elizabeth Dobson (widow)
5 Beacham Street,
Oxford Street, Morecambe.
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TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION
At the house of Miss Clitheroe, the
CHURCH HOUSE TAVERN, Lancaster Road, Preston
On the 9th July 1849.
LOT 2 The Fee-simple and Inheritance of and in all
that BEER-SHOP, situate at the corner of Kilshaw
Street, in Lancaster Road, together with the PROVISION
SHOP, COTTAGE, BREW-HOUSE, STABLE, and
premises belonging thereto, now occupied by John DOBSON,
as tenant thereof.
Preston Chronicle 7th July 1849
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1860
John Dobson - The Provincial Corresponding
Secretary of the Independent Order of
Oddfellows, Manchester Union, Preston District.
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| Preston Chronicle 28th December 1861 |
WANTED
Two BANDS, for the procession of
the Independent Order of Oddfellows,
Preston District, on Friday 4th October.
State terms, number of performers, and
if in uniform, to
JOHN DOBSON, 124 Lancaster Road,
before 7 o'clock on Wednesday evening next.
Preston Chronicle 31st August 1867
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Preston Chronicle 10th June 1882
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Lancashire Evening Post 12th November 1895
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Blackburn Weekly Standard 11th February 1899
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Manchester Courier 24th August 1907
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Lancashire Evening Post 14th December 1931
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FOR SALE: Fish and Chips Business, living for two; owner took public business; must sell quick; no reasonable offer refused; rent 16/- clear.
Apply: Spindlemakers' Arms, 214, Lancaster Road, Preston.
Lancashire Evening Post 25th January 1933
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Information from a relative:
His brother James Bramwell Dobson became a schoolmaster and ran Satterthwaite School for 18 years. Elizabeth Dobson died in 1892. That's when you have Hugh Gibson taking over the pub. Again I don't have anything on him. Don't know what happened to William ( maybe he died ) but Hugh took over (as tenant?) till James Bramwell Dobson gave up teaching and took over the pub in 1894. I don't know if he was owner or tenant at this stage.
James B died in 1915. By then his sons William and James were running the pub but I don't know for how long. They are listed there in a 1917 Trade Directory but that's as far as I've gone.
His daughter Edith and her son William ( my dad) lived there for a few years from 1913 and my dad told stories of being a very small boy there and dancing for pennies in the bar!
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FOR SALE: Fish and Chips Business, living for two; owner took public business; must sell quick; no reasonable offer refused; rent 16/- clear.
Apply: Spindlemakers' Arms, 214, Lancaster Road, Preston.
Lancashire Evening Post 25th January 1933
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Information from a relative:
John Dobson (1824-1871) was my great great
grandfather. In the 1851 census he's listed as a Brewer living at 140? Lancaster
Rd. I think the number is a mistake as your listing from the 1849 Chronicle has
him as tenant at what became The Spindlemakers. I think he bought the pr exemises
because, as you know, his widow Elizabeth still owned it towards the end of the
century whilst she was living with her daughter in Morecambe.
An interesting fact - make of it what you will! - John Dobson's father in law, Thomas Procter of Caton is listed in the 1841 census as a spindlemaker.
An interesting fact - make of it what you will! - John Dobson's father in law, Thomas Procter of Caton is listed in the 1841 census as a spindlemaker.
[Pers comment: I think there is little doubt that this is why the house was so called.]
CONSIDER ALSO the following cutting:
See Lot. 1
Preston Chronicle – 30th June 1849
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His brother James Bramwell Dobson became a schoolmaster and ran Satterthwaite School for 18 years. Elizabeth Dobson died in 1892. That's when you have Hugh Gibson taking over the pub. Again I don't have anything on him. Don't know what happened to William ( maybe he died ) but Hugh took over (as tenant?) till James Bramwell Dobson gave up teaching and took over the pub in 1894. I don't know if he was owner or tenant at this stage.
James B died in 1915. By then his sons William and James were running the pub but I don't know for how long. They are listed there in a 1917 Trade Directory but that's as far as I've gone.
His daughter Edith and her son William ( my dad) lived there for a few years from 1913 and my dad told stories of being a very small boy there and dancing for pennies in the bar!
Thanks to S.McC.
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CENSUS RETURNS
1851
John Dobson 27 years Retail brewer b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 30 Wife b. Caton
Thomas Dobson 5 Son b. Preston
Easter Dobson 4 Daughter do
William Dobson 2 Son do
1861
John Dobson 37 years Beerseller b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 40 Wife b. Caton
Thomas Dobson 15 Son b. Preston
Esther Dobson 14 Daughter do
William Dobson 12 Son do
James Bramwell Dobson 9 Son do
Mary Dobson 7 Daughter do
Ruth Dobson 5 Daughter do
Margaret Ellen Dobson 5 months Daughter do
John Dobson 27 years Retail brewer b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 30 Wife b. Caton
Thomas Dobson 5 Son b. Preston
Easter Dobson 4 Daughter do
William Dobson 2 Son do
1861
John Dobson 37 years Beerseller b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 40 Wife b. Caton
Thomas Dobson 15 Son b. Preston
Esther Dobson 14 Daughter do
William Dobson 12 Son do
James Bramwell Dobson 9 Son do
Mary Dobson 7 Daughter do
Ruth Dobson 5 Daughter do
Margaret Ellen Dobson 5 months Daughter do
1871
Thomas Coup 48 years Beerseller b. Walton-le-dale
Catherine Coup 50 Wife b. Preston
William Banks 24 Son do
1881
William Dobson 32 years Beerseller b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 33 Wife do
John Dobson 12 Son do
Mary Dobson 10 Daughter do
1891
William Dobson 42 years Innkeeper b. Preston
Elizabeth Dobson 44 Wife do
John Dobson 22 Son do
Margaret Dobson 20 Daughter do
1901
James Bramwell Dobson 49 years Innkeeper b. Preston
Emma Dobson 48 Wife b. Ireland
William Dobson 23 Son b. Satterthwaite
Elizabeth Dobson 21 Daughter do
Tom Dobson 20 Son do
James Dobson 17 Son do
Mary Dobson 16 Daughter do
Margaret Esther Dobson 15 Daughter do
John Maurice Dobson 11 Son do
Sidney B. Dobson 5 Son b. Preston
Harry Dobson 3 Grandson do
1911
James Bramwell Dobson 59 years Innkeeper b. Preston
Mary Dobson 26 Daughter / School Teacher b. Satterthwaite
Maurice Dobson 21 Son / School Teacher do
Sydney Dobson 15 Son / Clerk b. Preston
Harry Dobson 13 Grandson / School do
Ellen Helme 23 Servant b. Garstang
Harry Dobson 3 Grandson do
1911
James Bramwell Dobson 59 years Innkeeper b. Preston
Mary Dobson 26 Daughter / School Teacher b. Satterthwaite
Maurice Dobson 21 Son / School Teacher do
Sydney Dobson 15 Son / Clerk b. Preston
Harry Dobson 13 Grandson / School do
Ellen Helme 23 Servant b. Garstang
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I had always been told by my mum that my great great grandfather James Dobson had been the landlord of the Spindlemakers pub on Lancaster Road in the late 1800's. It was a corner pub and I had took it to mean the end going into Church Street. I googled the pubs details just recently and thanks to your site found a picture of the pub, with people stood outside (I don't know if it's my family), with a side inscription confirming my grandads name, in addition the number translating to present day 212, meaning it's actually the opposite end going onto the ring road. This is particularly special for me just now because I lost my mum recently. So thank you,
ReplyDeleteIn addition to that, I've just read about the traumatic event concerning my great grandmother Elizabeth in 1897. I did not know about this attack and subsequent court case. My late mum recently passed, grew up with Elizabeth her gran just across the North Road in Salter Street between 1943-1950 before moving to Inskip in the early 1950's taking Grandma Elizabeth with them. She passed away in 1968 at the age of 89.
ddc. Thanks for that. I presume you've spotted the interesting detail about John Dobson's wife being the daughter of a spindle maker in Caton. If you have any relevant information that would add a piece of two to the jigsaw, please let me have them. Many thanks. Write to me on srh.steve@aol.co.uk
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